July 1, 2006
Harrassment and Law Enforcement Groups
This is a transcript of a good discussion I recently had with an online acquaintence regarding jbhfile.com and it's inclusion of certain law enforcement entities as persons behind certain aspects of what I have come to define as ongoing harassment or even psychological torture.
I'm posting it as an article simply because it's a doorway to some important questions regarding psychologically directed investigations, methods, ethics, etc. ..[jbh]
subject: Concerns ...
"I think that because of the prominence of the FBI in your story and website
that I would like to receive copies of your correspondence with them, and
especially that which they sent to you. Also any contact or correspondence
you might have had with a law enforcement accountability entity
(organization, attorney who handles these, etc.) regarding your situation.
I will probably start requesting this and other information of all posting
members who have the FBI or law enforcement as a major part of their story.
For all my frustration with the FBI under the current administration, I
think they are not involved with the stalking groups. I am open to having my
mind changed, but I want to hear more substantiation. I also think that if
we are to have this crime taken seriously, we have to stop publishing
unsubstantiated allegations against law enforcement.
If your main harassers are law enforcement, you need to contact a police
accountability organization or advocate with your allegations, rather than
relying on forums. Police harassment can be stopped a lot more easily than
gang stalking can.
I am not saying that your claims are fictional, unsubstantiated, or
undertaken for malevolent purposes, but they are prominent in your story and
that is why I would be interested in seeing your FIOPA or other relevant
correspondence from law enforcement and accountability sources regarding
hi there ..
was thinking more about your comments
and wanted to add a few more bits ...
what you say is such valuable information
as, having done a cursory re read of
certain sections of jbhfile i agree that
it does, at times, clearly come across
that i include the fbi and otherwise
police authorities in some of the stalking
tactics, primarily the street theatre
and other psycho-social funny bizness that
i see so often in various of my social
it certainly reads that way ...
other than realizing i need to fine tune
certain sections so as to not seem vehement
at the agencies or otherwise 'out to get'
them ... i will certainly leave in the majority
of the claims made that these agencies, and
especially the behavioral science wings of
such agencies, have been some of the primary
orchestrators of the social dramas and ongoing
street theatre studies.
and, the funny thing is ... i believe they,
in normal practice and as a part of truly
attempting to divine the details of a person
who is psycho-criminally (made that up) a
genuine public concern, are perfectly entitled
to use psycho-social theatrics as a means of
learning more about a subject. i would say even,
that such methods in psychology and behavioral
science are common place and traditional.
but ... that said ... the hitch is this ...
are the target subjects witting or unwitting to
the ongoing study? are the subjects aware of the
so called claims made against their person which
have resulted in their becoming the subject of
public and social psychological study? and perhaps
most importantly here, are such subjects allowed to
personally confront such claims and concerns once he or
she is thusly aware of them?
if a person is blindly unconscious of the
attention ... has no awareness of being the
subject of an investigation or psychological study
and if such study involves just normal social
interaction/dramas played out along specific
input/feedback models (they say/do, "this" and
observe for reaction, "that", etc.), then i
feel no harm could feasibly come to the subject.
and as well, at least some valuable data might
be gained from the street theatre as the subject
would be acting/reacting in a 100% genuine and
natural fashion, totally unaffected by any stress
or nervous trauma that would naturally arise out
the awareness of being a subject.
however, if a subject like myself, who has been
aware of the investigation/study, who has others
close to him that have confirmed they're own
involvement in the investigation, who is subjected
to the same psycho-social scripts and routines
every week and who has worked, literally, for well
nigh six years to confront those behind the
investigation ... when such a person as that is
the subject ... then it could theoretically be argued
that torture of a sort is occurring, or at least that
the otherwise benign and traditional methods of
psychologically investigating a social subject
have met with conditions that make the study no
(you can quote me on this next bit ...)
no scientifically valuable data can
be gained from a subject who is acutely aware
of the nature, subject matter and ongoing methods
of the psycho-social procedures employed in an experimental fashion against him/her.
especially considering that this person/subject is acting/reacting while suffering what could be
thought of as genuine and ongoing post traumatic
so, just looking at the types of stalking that could
include street theatre or other psycho-social dramas,
street theatre, neuro linguistic word play, action/
reaction scenarios, etc. ... i think one could argue
that federal and local authorities, in many cases, are
or could be involved in the harassing of a TI. of course,
in many of such cases it involves a real and documented
criminal investigation and so the agencies have every
right to use such non-invasive methods on unwitting
otherwise, regarding some of the other experiences
i have had ... covert druggings, car vandalizations,
rumor and slander, etc ... i seriously doubt that
any authorities are behind such antics and would more
likely attribute it to what happens in communities
when certain types of rumors get out of control.
so, as said, thanks so much for the outsiders
perspective on jbhfile.com; i get blinded to what
it's saying at times as i'm so close to the thing.
also, if you read more, feel free to offer more
criticism and other constructive remarks.
take it easy.
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